^ Hey Great (Jeff's here ) Please can you change the title of the thread to Is Rolls-Royce British or German now? -- I think that is what I was trying to get at with this thread ....din't make it very clear.

^Design you say Jeff,

Yes, I would agree that is partly it -- although it very much looks like a Rolls. I've always been bugged by the Phantom in some ways, it looks like a Rolls, and certainly has the presence -- but I still find myself having to think about it a lot to convince myself that this is a 'real' Rolls. Its not that I think of it as a BMW, because BMW's DNA has been kept as far away from it as possible, but it still does have a distinctly un-British character about it ....and I'm not talking about the fact that finally, after several decades of, at times, dubious quality, The Spirit Of Ecstasy proudly stands at the front of a reliable and well-built machine.