[Matt]

I thought i would subscribe to this... anyway the 997 is quite a bit better than the 996. I was even hoping that the M3 would compete with the carrera S, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie

Remember, I never said the M3 BEATS the 911 overall, but it is close, and a much cheaper car too.

and more practical and also with better comfort if you ask me

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

First off (PC VALKYRIE) get off your knees before you get rug burn! secondly I much appreciate it (just_me) if you would give me the web address to make sure your info is reliable, & not you posting the best BMW track times & the worst porsche times!

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

First off (PC VALKYRIE) get off your knees before you get rug burn! secondly I much appreciate it (just_me) if you would give me the web address to make sure your info is reliable, & not you posting the best BMW track times & the worst porsche times!

Im the sportauto king

Sportauto issue
M3; 12/2000; and 3/2003
996 C2/C4: 10/2001 and 2/2001

or
http://germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=67
http://germancarzone.com/showthread.php?t=3358

Also member 7.3 is a sportauto king so he can probably verify these results.

PS sportauto doesnt have a webbpage.

PS 2: Im not making it up, I posted the best times I have seen/read for these 3 cars. If Im wrong, someone please feel free and correct me.

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

O, I'm sorry I didn't know we were going back half a decade for stats. Get at me when you find info a little closer to now, maybe, O I don't no around 2003 considering were looking at 2007 in about 2 months!

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

O, I'm sorry I didn't know we were going back half a decade for stats. Get at me when you find info a little closer to now, maybe, O I don't no around 2003 considering were looking at 2007 in about 2 months!

if it existed I would give you newer but I cant find any sportauto reviews for 996 after year 2003 so you can blame me on this one, blame Sportauto.

BTW sportauto tests around Nordschleife is only done one time.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by CAR-NNOSSEUR

yaah right, BMW needs to worry about competing with the RS4 before talking about 911's & R8's! Good try BMW i'll believe it when I see it! R8!!

Keep in mind that there a several drivers that prefer the current E46 M3 CS over the current RS4. Take for example EVO magazine (one of the most respectable car magazines in my opinion): http://www.evo.co.uk/cargrouptests/c...cedes_c55.html

Here the E46 M3 CS won the test, and recall this is the older generation M3.

This is not to say the RS4 isn't a great car, because it is the benchmark right now... But think about it... the M3 is a legend, and BMW have too much at stake to let their halo car be beaten by a car that has been out for 1.5 years already. I think that the M3 will beat the RS4 relatively easily in terms driving dynamics and speed, particularly on the E92 platform which has been commended over and over again. I think that most people have this expectation and I think it is very realistic.

Maybe it is reaching to compare the R8 to the M3, afterall the R8 is a pure sportcars, bordering on supercar, but whats wrong with aiming high? I'm sure when Audi annouces that their new A8 is going to be targeting RR Phantom buyers, I'm sure you won't be saying the same thing.

[klier]

The new M3 will totally crush the RS4.
Crush, I tell you. Nothing will be left of that car, which even costs more

BMW is looking higher up now for the competition, and I can't blame them.

911, here we come

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

I don't blame you for anything, It's just that I could care less about a 5 going on 6 year old info! I thought your position was based on fairly current info. I apologize for the miss understanding! Did you help (PC VALKYRIE) off his or her Knees let? Lol !!

[CAR-NNOSSEUR]

^ good, it's about time they earn that rep!