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| Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-10-2006, 10:42 PM
- ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER They say 275 hp at rear wheels, and 300 lb-ft of torque.
Also, 0-60 in 5.1 sec, and 1/4 in 13.6
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The 2007 BMW 335i will be in showrooms next month, and is the first application of BMW’s new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. This is a big deal because BMW has had only two short affairs with turbocharged gasoline production cars--the 2002 Turbo in the mid-70s, and the E23 745i in the early 80s--and neither was sold in the U.S. As the saying goes, third time’s the charm.
BMW fit this new engine with two small-displacement turbochargers--instead of one larger unit--in an effort to reduce lag. And for the most part, it worked. Behind the wheel, you’re vaguely aware that this engine doesn’t have quite as crisp a throttle response as its normally-aspirated siblings do. But you don’t care--you’re too busy trying to hold on for dear life.
This is one hell of a motor, pulling smoothly and strongly from idle all the way to its 7000-rpm fuel cutoff. There’s no boost gauge, and since you barely hear the turbos spooling, it’s easy to forget they’re even there. Once you’ve adjusted to the slight lag in power delivery following big, sudden throttle openings, all you notice is the sound of that silky in-line six.
BMW says that this engine makes 300 horsepower and 300 lb-ft of torque. We were so impressed with its power that we couldn’t help wonder if that was a conservative rating. Wasting no time, I swiped the keys and drove to a local dyno shop to find out.
We used a DynoJet chassis dyno, which measures an engine’s power output at a vehicle’s rear wheels. Because of frictional driveline losses, this number is always lower--generally by fifteen to twenty percent--than the quoted power output from the manufacturer, which is measured at the engine itself.
Here’s what we found:
The non-turbocharged 330i, rated by BMW at 255 hp and 220 lb-ft of torque, puts about 200 hp and 180 lb-ft to the rear wheels. That’s roughly a twenty-percent loss. Since they have similar drivelines, you’d expect the 335i to put down 235 hp and 250 lb-ft.
But it didn’t. It put down a whole lot more: 275 hp and 300 lb-ft. A few quick taps on our trusty calculator shows that this engine is likely putting out closer to 350 hp and 360 lb-ft of torque.
Technical editor Don Sherman’s ears perked up at all this number crunching. With all that power, he wondered, is the 335i faster than the outgoing 333-hp E46 M3? We waved goodbye to the shiny new coupe’s rear tires, and sent him to find out.
Don coaxed the 335i to 60 mph in 5.1 seconds--only 0.3 seconds slower than the M3. The 335i covered the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds @ 104 mph--again, only 0.2 seconds and 1 mph behind the M3.
So in an all-out drag race, the 335i comes close, but can’t quite match the M3’s blistering acceleration. Those numbers, though, only tell half the story. Have a look at the top-gear acceleration figures. In sixth gear, the M3 needs 14.7 seconds to get from 30 to 70 mph – but the 335i does it in only 12.5.
That, my friends, is the beauty of this engine. At full bore, it’s as fast as an M3. But at moderate engine speeds, it’s even faster. What a great way to keep us all interested until the next M3 comes along.
Test - M3 - 335i
0-60 - 4.8 - 5.1
0-100 - 11.5 - 12.7
0-110 - 14.5 - 15.6
0-120 - N/A - 18.6
0-140 - N/A - 28.2
1/4 mile - 13.4@105 - 13.6@104
peak g - 0.7 - 0.68
30-70 (6th) - 14.7 - 12.5
30-70 (3rd) - N/A - 6.5
70-0 - 162 - 150
Peak g - 1.12 - 1.12
Holy hell, this is a seriously fast car. I guess that confirms our hunch that this engine is much more powerful. I'm sure this engine will have a shot at the 3 liter category in next year's Engine of the year award. | | | | | Advocate
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-10-2006, 11:10 PM
Very interesting data and results. I have always said that the new 335i will be a very fast and flexible car. Fuel consumtion of a 6 cylinder with the power output of a V8, and with a very flat torque output over almost the entire rpm range.
To all the BMW faithful who have always said that small high reving natural aspiration engines are the ONLY way to go for a 3 series, this new forced induction 3.0L engine should convince you otherwise. The benefits of high torque will make this car far more easier to drive fast than the outgoing M3. Sure, you can get the same result by reving the M3 engine, but this 335i will likely kill the E46 M3 at lower rpm's. (Can't wait for the rolling 5-60mph test from Car & Driver...  )
There are only 2 ways to get high torque at low rpm's: displacement (like the C55) or forced induction (like the 335i). The only way BMW can top the 335i is with a high reving LARGER DISPLACEMENT V8.......which is EXACTLY what they'll do for the next M3. | | | | | Connoisseur
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-14-2006, 08:57 PM
335i on the dyno - almost M3 powerrrr
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That the BMW are 335i an interesting small beast, can be inferred already from the raw specs. The men of - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER were curious how well 335i now exact be and therefore the BMW on a capacity bank it to put. The result is remarkable.
First of all must be noticed that measuring the engine capacity is rather tricky. The capacity is, as it happens, measured to the wheels and the loss in aandrijflijk must be added up there therefore. Some tuners have about that separate conceptions so that the exactly assembled capacity chip there what ends up more positive.
After the 335i that thanks to 3.0 litres zescylinder in line 306 pk and 400 nm kick out there. With aandrijfverlies of 15-20% around the 225 pk would be measured there would have, certainly because 330i with 258 pk late see a capacity to the wheels of 200 pk. Large the verassing thus then the meter on 275 pk was continued stand. With that the engine capacity would be around the 350 pk, a piece more than BMW gives up therefore.
335i therefore M3 (E46) of the previous generation quite must keep up be able. Automobilemag took the test on the sum and put there US spec M3 with 333 pk compared with. From stilstand the differences are very small: to 60 mph (96 km/u) only 0.3 seconden with (4.8 by 5.1 seconden). At the quarter mile the difference is only 0.2 seconden and then drives both BMW’s already almost 170. on the tussensprint in highest acceleration is 335i the even much faster, but that has been seen the much more favourable cross-belt curve no large verassing.
Winding up then: me seems the called 350 pk what seems given up 306 pk on the high side, but by BMW what low. 335i small 50 kilogrammes are heavier than M3, but are therefore also something slower. Study itself once more all - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER and draw your own conclusion.
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-14-2006, 09:06 PM
Hmmm, those numbers are as good if not better than S4's. | | | | | Devotee
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-16-2006, 04:27 PM
Link to video of dyno test... sounds good to me - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER | | | | | Aficionado
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-16-2006, 05:13 PM
I wonder when we'll see tuners taking to this car! They could turn up the boost of the turbo just like that, getting 400bhp easily! | | | | | Devotee
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
08-16-2006, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BMW_Dude I wonder when we'll see tuners taking to this car! They could turn up the boost of the turbo just like that, getting 400bhp easily! | I don't think that's gonna happen quite yet. Not many drivers will be willing to void their warranties. Maybe a few years down the road, it will become common. Until then, I think only the "pros" will do it. | | | | | Aficionado
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
09-13-2006, 08:50 AM
UPDATE: Quote:
2007 BMW 335i Dynamometer Revisited: We Test Another One!
By Jason Cammisa
A few weeks ago, we got a surprise visit from the new BMW 335i coupe, one of the hottest cars of the year. We’d been quivering in anticipation for the 335i not because it’s a 3-series--although that pedigree doesn’t hurt--but because the mind-meltingly fast two-door offers BMW’s first turbocharged gasoline engine ever to be sold in the States.
With this in mind, we just had to take the new coupe to the dyno and see exactly how much power its twin-turbo powerplant puts to the ground. The results? 275 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels--more than we expected. Rated by the Bimmer boys at 300 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque, it was pretty clear to us that the Bavarian masterpiece was a little underrated from the factory.
In the weeks since we first published the results of that test, we’ve heard some criticism of our conclusion that the 335i makes "closer to 350 hp" than the reported 300. We arrived at that verdict after some quick calculations, but since a chassis dyno only reports how many horses make it to the wheels, it’s admittedly a hard number to verify. We did four runs with that particular car, and the actual peaks were 276, 280, 280, and 283 horsepower. We published the lowest number to be sure there was no claim that we were exaggerating the engine’s output.
But what if this was a one-time fluke? What if that first 335i was a particularly strong example? Or--gasp--a ringer! The answer to that question appeared in the form of another 335i (this time painted space gray metallic) that BMW dropped off last week. Again, without hesitation, we grabbed the keys and headed for the dyno shop.
2007 BMW 335i Coupe Rear Corner
On the way, we were pleased to find intact the awesome midrange torque and incredible straight-six soundtrack. Reacquainting ourselves with the gauges, we noticed that, as with the original tester, the oil temperature stabilized at 240 degrees Fahrenheit while cruising in sixth gear at 80 mph. Lesser engines would melt at those temperatures!
Temperature? Wait! A quick look at the outside temperature display showed that it was only 78 degrees Fahrenheit outside. The last time we put a 335i on the rollers, it was 92. Everybody knows that engines make more power when they get cooler air--and that turbocharged engines are particularly susceptible to heat soak. We stopped worrying and started getting excited. This one might do even better.
We strapped the 335i down, started it up, and did three runs back to back to back. The results were very consistent, showing peaks of 285 hp, then 282 hp, and, finally, 287 hp. This 335i was even stronger at the top end than the last one, but not as strong in the midrange. Peak torque was stable through all three runs at about 285 lb-ft.
After the final run, we decided to grab audio of the 335i running from first gear through fourth. We expected to have the hairs on the back of our neck stand up at the sound of the 3.0-liter engine at full throat, but what we didn’t expect, of course, was a peak hp number nudging the 300-hp mark. That’s right--shortly after the shift into fourth, this second 335i peaked briefly at 299.93 hp.
Looking closely at the chart, there’s a likely explanation for that outrageous number. No, it wasn’t additional torque from a rough shift--the peak occurred too long after the gear change. Like most turbocharged cars, the computer allows a momentary spike of boost before stabilizing it at a prescribed level. We lucked out, as that spike happened right at the engine’s inherent power peak, so we got a little nudge in the final number. Whether the dyno numbers ultimately translate into 300 hp, 350 hp, or 327.543-to-the-fifth-power-hp, the results speak for themselves: this is one very powerful engine.  |
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
09-13-2006, 09:25 AM
wow, very impressive number, though i am still kinda skeptic about whether should BMW use turbo or not... | | | | | GCZ's High Court
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| Re: Automobile mag: Dyno of 335i coupe, and 0-60, 1/4 -
09-13-2006, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Giannis though i am still kinda skeptic about whether should BMW use turbo or not... | Why?  | | | | |