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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 03:01 PM

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Q: Do you have any experience in the 335?

A: I've driven several 335i and in standard form it would be clearly beaten by an M3 in terms of acceleration, but the M3 driver would need to use more revs which clearly is how it is designed to perform. It would also be thoroughly beaten in terms of handling, steering feel and braking. Essentially the gap between 335i and E92 M3 is similar to the gap between 330i and M3 when the E46 was launched back in 2001. Many people though will find the 335i adequate for their needs, but those who want an M-car will find it worth their while moving up to an M3.

A properly tuned 335i would clearly be as quick as an M3 on the road, unless the M3 driver really extended the revs, but there's a lot more to the M3 than just straight line performance (as there always has been with M3s).
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 03:34 PM

^so this means a very active driving.. no lazy arse ppl in the M3 no
alot of gershifting will be needed..
i like it
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 09:03 PM

So the 4.8sec 0-60 time in generously underestimated then I beleive... I'm thinking 4.6 personally 4.2 would be cool with me but
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 09:09 PM

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So the 4.8sec 0-60 time in generously underestimated then I beleive... I'm thinking 4.6 personally 4.2 would be cool with me but
4.6? Impossible with the manual but likely with the DZG(?) tranny.
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 10:46 PM

I can't wait. He said July 25th, so thats only 20 days away. Not bad. Can't wait to see how the M3 is.
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-05-2007, 11:01 PM

to hell with the 25th.. Autocar is publishing a test drive today..on the 6th..
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-06-2007, 09:51 AM

New info from the guy and his opinin on the CAR article:


Ok, time out guys. I need to put some of these comments in context. The new M3 is a great car. It hasn't gone soft. What a strange comment to make for a car that is 'more' hardcore than the E46 version it replaces. The RS4 feels soft compared to the M3, and if anything we were wondering if BMW had lost too much of the E46's refinement.

The engine is both louder and much more serious sounding than the S54 straight six. Handling is very balanced, now if that makes it 'refined' then so be it, but that's not how I would describe it. Do you really want an 'edgy' handling 420hp Coupe? No, I didn't think so.

The steering is fine and would probably be sharper with lower profile tyres, but the front is not soft. I am looking at the videos we took and under severe provocation there is no understeer and the car remains flat and very stable when held sideways. It's a fluid handling entertainer that can be finely adjusted in a corner and will be controllable by a wide range of driver talent - not just the racers amongst us.

There is also 'not' a need to drive it high up the rev range. Certainly when all the 'sport/sport plus' settings are engaged then it feels powerful at lower revs - we exited most of the tight hairpins on those spanish roads in no lower than 3rd gear. But despite being more torquey than the E46, it also pulls harder to the red line.

I am a CSL owner and I find the E92 M3 far, far better than the E46 M3 and more sporting as well (I owned 3 E46 M3s). BMW do not 'need' to make a CSL, but they will because they can.



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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-06-2007, 10:04 AM

^wow some hope.. thats great.. when will evo put out their review..
i want to hear evo on this and the C63.. they know sporty driving..
i trust them
and sportauto ofcourse..

the rest.. some like luxury, some like sport, some are paid off, some just love their own nations cars..
and the list goes on and on..
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-06-2007, 10:11 AM

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New info from the guy and his opinin on the CAR article:


Ok, time out guys. I need to put some of these comments in context. The new M3 is a great car. It hasn't gone soft. What a strange comment to make for a car that is 'more' hardcore than the E46 version it replaces. The RS4 feels soft compared to the M3, and if anything we were wondering if BMW had lost too much of the E46's refinement.

The engine is both louder and much more serious sounding than the S54 straight six. Handling is very balanced, now if that makes it 'refined' then so be it, but that's not how I would describe it. Do you really want an 'edgy' handling 420hp Coupe? No, I didn't think so.

The steering is fine and would probably be sharper with lower profile tyres, but the front is not soft. I am looking at the videos we took and under severe provocation there is no understeer and the car remains flat and very stable when held sideways. It's a fluid handling entertainer that can be finely adjusted in a corner and will be controllable by a wide range of driver talent - not just the racers amongst us.

There is also 'not' a need to drive it high up the rev range. Certainly when all the 'sport/sport plus' settings are engaged then it feels powerful at lower revs - we exited most of the tight hairpins on those spanish roads in no lower than 3rd gear. But despite being more torquey than the E46, it also pulls harder to the red line.

I am a CSL owner and I find the E92 M3 far, far better than the E46 M3 and more sporting as well (I owned 3 E46 M3s). BMW do not 'need' to make a CSL, but they will because they can.


I see hope for the M3

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^wow some hope.. thats great.. when will evo put out their review...
Artist, you can quote me on this later
The new M3 is the greatest M car, greatest car actually, EVER made by BMW.
So not 'some hope' as you say. C63 will not be as good as the M3. You can quote me on that too.
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Re: Sneak preview: M3 V8 drive - 07-06-2007, 10:18 AM

^man those are big words.. its humans on both sides making the cars..
everything is possible..
its not like some super intelligent aliens are building the M cars...

everything is possible..

but yeah i would still bet my money on the M3... but im not really that convinced..
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