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Originally Posted by The Artist  hell yeah 
im back
now seriously i dont mind BMW having turbo..
the can have kompressor if they want.. but the thing is..
BMW fans do this.. they always claim that what bmw is doing at a given moment is the only right thing to do.. and they diss other alternatives..
and this is not very healthy in the car industry
cuase if there is one thing we ALL can agree on.. its the fact that all brands are into making money..
and in one way BMW does not chose what they want to make.. the ppl chose..
and thats why if i was a BMW fan.. i would not diss the concept of the R class
i would not diss the concept of the smart..
things like that will most likely come back and bite you in the ass like this turbo thing just now did..
AMG fans.. or RS.. they have never dissed NA,Turbo or kompressor..
wich leaves them with a possibility to praise their brand in whatever direction they go..
and i know you would love that possibility..
PS
So bottom line.. one should not diss a concept.. of engines, cars whatever
if you cant see your own fav brand doing that.. and you hating it..  |
Artist, you are correct here and so is Pagani!
This is called Market-Strategy and market strategy has never been more active and extremely compeditive than in the 21st centery. In order to play you must stay ahead of the competition and this requires constant change as the consumer demands it.
The thing with BMW fans is that thay get a blind-fascination of the BMW M engine design philosphy and thay call that a traditional formula that BMW should stick with and nothing else.
Thats not going to hold in the world market because the market constantly changes. (take a look at the new M3. BMW M saw fit to give it a V8 instead of a 6-cylinder engine, did BMW break tradition here? the M3 was using in-lines 6es for more than 20 years. Today the market appeal for V8s is very high now so the new M3 has met the demand.) We all have to admit that BMW has mastered the Hi-Rev concept very well with the S851350 V10 engine and this is well known and I believe BMW should stick with this concept if the engine does get Bi-Turbo charged.
My main concern with hi-powered F/I engines is the engines flexibility
across the revs. This was a problem with F/I engines but the Germans are teaching these engines how to flex ultimate power across the entire rpm-bands with even higher revs. I`m more than sure we will see this with the supposed Bi-Turbo M5.
Turbos wouldn`t change the M tradtion. Thay would enhance it.
Engineering concepts should never be called traditions in the first place.
575hp is a huge jump from 507hp for the M5, I agree with Merc1 but 650 would be too much for the supposed E63 and would kill the current S65s 612hp mark. It should be more like 602hp but even that would step on the current S63 and coming SL63 525hp. Whatever the case if AMG uses the N/A M156 in the next generation AMG E the competition will kill it.
Unlike the M5 and RS6 the E63 has a lot of heads to bump before it can jump into the 600hp mark.